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American_max50

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Like you, many Americans wonder why with all the natural and technological resources the United States has are we still unable to separate ourselves from foreign oil dependancy. Or why even this discussion is absent from our news consciousness as we realize the vulnerability this presents to our economic and national security?


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I was hearing on the news this morning that this man from Texas, T. Boone Pickens is trying to push a different kind of energy and is really advertising that theUS has a lot of energy  resources but fail to utilize them.  Do you know anything about this man?  I guess I could have googled him, but I would rather have your opinion.  He was explaining that the alternative to fuel is by using the "windmills" for energy sources.


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Hi!  The windmillls having the energy stored in generators is not a bad idea.  Solar panels are also great.  Energy independence from foreign oil is of importance.  I pray that it starts soon because of all the money that we are borrowing from others right now puts someone else in charge right now and that's not good.

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Hi!  The windmillls having the energy stored in generators is not a bad idea.  Solar panels are also great.  Energy independence from foreign oil is of importance.  I pray that it starts soon because of all the money that we are borrowing from others right now puts someone else in charge right now and that's not good.



YES, in parts of California - places like Palm Springs and Palm Desert - one can see great extensions of land devoted to windmill energy. In places like Puerto Rico the concept of solar energy - well, it's the middle of the Caribbean - is not foreign to most people; actually it's quite common. In Japan and France nuclear energy feeds a healthy chunk of their energy needs. It seems it is mostly here (in the United States) that politics and fanatism has taken over, instead of pragmatism and science, an area where American national (security) interests should prevail. To many of us is hard to believe a small minority of environmentalist radicals have dominated the issue for decades. No?

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There's always been a minority that we have to listen to and make sure that they are also included.  Sometimes that can be good, others not good.  Whatever the case may be here it would be good to have a change.  Oil is great, but like when the electric goes out in your home and all you have to cook on is an electric stove, is there another alternative?  God is the only one that doesn't need a Plan B.  Since we depend upon Him, we look for answers.  Others who try to do things themselves need a Plan B and perhaps a Plan C.  Nuclear energy, solar energy, and wind power is great.  Anybody else for a Plan D?

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Balance and sound judgement are keys to good policy.  As stated in an earlier post a well organized, affluent, well connected media savy environmental movement has long dominated the politics of the environmental movement in this nation.  As result of media scare tactics, poor science and a hands off the environment philosophy; development and construction of safe advanced nuclear power plants, wind farms, tidal energy projects and clean coal fired plants have beeen hamstrung.


While these movements served a purpose in the past to alert us to abuses of the enviroment from corporations, they have become increasingly radicalized over time.  


About a decade ago concerns about the effects of environmental degredation and climate change was of high interest to the Department of Defense.  This was do to the impact these problems would have on us as from a National Security perspective as we moved into the new century.  As a senior military intelligence analyst I looked at the data and discussions that were ongoing at the time and came, like most others interested in the subject, alarmed but what we were seeing.  Issues like the national security impact of a change in weather pattern and environmental degredation could have on the Panama Canal were high interest items.  Due to a combination of these two factors we were concerned as we moved into the new century that the operation of the canal could be disrupted due to low water levels in resuvoirs.


Others were concerned about disruptions of stability in developing countries as climated paterns changed.


The one common theme that came from our discussions was that only the developing world with its access to high technology was likely to be able to effectively manage the changes likely to come.  


Unfortunately the environmental movement discussed above has hamstrung our effects to move us in the direction we need to go in a timely proactive fashion.


It is odd that one of the departments of the government  most despised by the environmental movement, the DOD, is the one that has been one of the ones most concerned about this issue and the effects it is likely to have on us as a nation.

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We have to find ways to get better controlled nuclear power.  We don't want another Three Mile Island, but if the right controls are put in place it would be wonderful to get more power plants.  Clean coal is great, but expensive.  Shale is also expensive, but if the process is cleaned up, so as not to pollute the air, that is another alternative.

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It was my understanding that oil shale took more energy to make usable than it produced.


 


Anyone remember when there was the possibility of wave farms being a big source of energy?  What the hell happened to that?


The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
~ Winston Churchill

"Democracy is the worst form of government except for all those others that have been tried."
~ Winston Churchill

081_81_1__max50

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There was something on Fox News last night.  It was available, but dirty.  They'd have to clean it somehow.  They were talking about alternative power.

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Fishingguy, thanks for sharing the knowledge you have acquired through your job and personal observations. I guess some people mistake our interest in diversifying energy sources with an agenda to push one type of energy over another. That's not the case. Our national security interests demand we explore, invest and develop new vehicles to sustain our industries and economy. Period.


Everything in life has its pros and cons, whether it is energy, technology or alliances. This does not mean we do not pursue practical ways to diversify (or eliminate) the vulnerability to foreign oil in our country. It would be unwise to do so. As far as I know, today nuclear energy is one of the safest cleanest energy-producing sources in the world. Yet like with everything else in life, accidents can happen.


Experts believe one of the reasons we are now suffering through high gasoline prices has to do with our irresponsible abandonment of nuclear energy investment, oil exploration and drilling in our country, and no new refinery construction in decades. Perception all these energy sources are dangerous, even evil by some, has disarmed our nation in one of the areas that make us most vulnerable. Shameful. Our leaders have failed to confront this controversial issue for fear of offending a few influential environmentat lobbysts - and Hollywood.

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The nuclear energy stopped a while ago when there was a problem at Three Mile Island.  It was contained, but people became scared.  When the nuclear power plant in Russia went awry, people became more afraid.  If we could get better security measures, people may want to try it again.

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No technology is 100% infallible although some have better track records than others. Due to its nature nuclear energy - in the United States - has a negative connotation these days. In many other countries it continues to be an important energy provider, especially now Russia is flexing its military and energy might around the world. Even allying itself with Venezuela.


Personally I am happy with the idea vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin has made "Energy Independence" one of the top elements of her platform. As even our board responses have proven it's one of the most relevant subjects on American minds nowadays. One may not agree with other points of her agenda, but emphasizing matters of energy and its impact in our pocketbooks is the right thing for her to do now.


Until we are willing to put all options on the table and begin making long term decisions to empower, and liberate, our nation's energy needs, we will continue dependent and vulnerable to political instability and blackmail from abroad. Safe nuclear energy is one of these options. Freeing Alaska to explore, drill and market our own natural oil resources is also a rational choice.

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There is a company that is trying out new cars that are fueled by natural gas.  It's great except the fueling stations are few and far between.  I agree that there should be tighter controls on nuclear power plants and more drilling.  If Governor Palin wants to open up ANWR without harming the reserve, I don't think there is anything wrong with it.

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It's kind of funny that the middle-east has been pushing to get their cars on natural gas for at least a few years now.  I can't find the article I read earlier this year, but here's couple other articles:


Middle East May Have 1 Million Natural Gas Vehicles by 2010:


http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/10/middle_east_may.html


Iran ends petrol-only car making:


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6278120.stm

American_max50

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Great post, bluefly44.


Yes, it's kind of funny the Middle East is aggressively pushing for alternative energy. During my 2 years living there while deployed I learned much by simply reading daily local and regional newspapers easily available at our bases (i.e. Bahrain). Most soldiers practice sports, I like to read. Currently many oil-producing countries actively pursue solar, wind and (yes) nuclear energy openly. They want to be sellers rather than consumers - export rather than import.. It's a lucrative business.


All Arab nations - Iran is Persian - oppose nuclear weapons in the region and have stated this publicly many times. The fear is if Iran develops nuclear weapons an accident could contaminate all the Persian Gulf; thus their own nations. The problem is they demand equal access to inspections, and there are other countries in the region who oppose international inspectors in their existing nuclear facilities. That's the impasse we face now.


Perhaps it would be wise to learn a lesson from this and pursue energy independence exploring more and different sources at home.

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Alternative energy is important.  Energy independence is important no matter how much oil we may have.  What does a homeowner do when they can't get oil in their home fast enough when it is unusually cold.  The person in an apartment where everything is electric.  What do you cook on when the electric goes out for a few days?

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That is so true.  We were looking at areas to possibly move to in New England, and in my research I was reading people's stories about how much they spend every winter on oil to heat their homes.  I had no clue that so many houses had these oil containers that they needed to fill up every year for their heating. 


We are living in one of those all-electric apartments now, so am in that boat. 


I've been reading many stories of people who are able to live off-grid in California, Colorado, etc., but fitting their homes with solar panels and using small wind turbines, and getting their water from a well.  Solar technology keeps getting better and better - the panels are getting thinner and now they have this substance that they can paint on glass to absorb the energy, and you can't tell it from regular glass.  Here's a new solar cylindrical tube that I read about in an article today:


 http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/21473/


The great part about alternative energy technology is the jobs that it creates.

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My folks had lived in a house that was made back during WWII, they depended upon oil.  My husband and I live in an apartment that depends upon electricity wholly.  I am also interested in solar energy and how that makes jobs.  So glad that you brought it up and  had that article!

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Wow, that was an interesting link bluefly regarding the solar panels. It's amazing how much money the government really has to provide businesses who are interested or can provide alternative engery saving methods.  The Economic Developments are specifically set up to assist businesses for these purposes. I have missed my calling since I have always been interested in alternative energy, however, my heart wasn't in the sciences or engineering studies.


 


 


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Like the space program every dollar the government spends in promoting alternative energy technology generates at a minimum of 3 dollars of additional economic growth as a return.  If we look at ethanol production, the construction of ethanlo plants, planting of crops, manufacture of agricultural production products and all other associated products generated large numbers of jobs.  


This mostly stemmed from the granting of tax credits.  With these credits the producers of ethanol were able to secure loans and build the infrastructure they needed to produce this product. 


Alternative energy investment has long been stiffled by investment in oil production because of a number of economic factors, to include the fact that Wall Street investment managers pushed large amounts of capital from pension funds and other pools of money into it.   This gave big oil an enormous amount of power with regards to local, state, and federal politics. 


If local, state and federal officals invest large amounts of pension funds into big oil, how likely are they to vote for investments in alternative energy?


Its a wonder that anything at all was invested in the development of sources of alternative energy.

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Stella I share with you the feeling of discovering an interest in alternative energy and science later in life; it seems people, like nature, keep evolving through the natural life cycle. Great insight. Keep sharing.


Fishingguy, you hit the nail on the head. Our leaders have been suffering "energy myopia" ignoring or passing by many opportunities to invest in science and technology that can enable America to better sustain its voracious energy needs. Some cynics say this is because alternative energy does not have a strong ($$$) wealthy Washington DC lobby to fund the politicians that can fund research and development. Or that big oil companies' lobby is much much richer.


"If local, state and federal officals invest large amounts of pension funds into big oil, how likely are they to vote for investments in alternative energy?," as Fishigguy writes.  Then its up to us as citizens and residents of cities and states and regions to wake up and demand diversification of our pension funds - as was done against 'apartheid' in South Africa with minor problems.


Again investment, in reality citizens have to invest in politicians so politicians are motivated to invest in potential long term solutions to citizens' real needs and concerns. It's a pay to play system. Lamentably I do not see that changing anytime soon. One does not have to be a scientist to understand the importance of science. We enjoy its benefits daily in almost everything around us from medicine, to technology, to transportation. We also understand prevention is the best medicine.


There is another element of energy that is too often overlooked but equally important: the politization of energy resources. How throughout rmodern history energy (oil) has played a major role in national and international politics. Literally carving nations from the desert sand. And how sometimes for this reason traditional allies have questioned our decisions in regards to how we handle the Middle East (i.e. France, Spain, Germany). Many had their own investments and interests in the region colliding with our own and our Arab allies. In Iraq we had regional allies, and European opponents.


Any discussion of energy brings to the table many fascinating ramifications which is why the subject is so interesting and important to continue to discuss and pursue.

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It is important to make sure that wherever the energy processes start that the environment isn't hurt.  Too much has been built where the animals have no place to live any more.

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Was surfing the web today and found this interesting article on bendable ultra thin fuel cells.  Is this the age we are coming to? You might want  to check it out, I think it is very interesting.


http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/11/11/bendable-ultra-thin-fuel-cells-coming-soon/


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Ooo - that is interesting!  Thanks for the link, Stella!

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What about this alternative fuel which is supposed to be used for vehicles which are sold that can use flex fuel? In our city today, we had a headline that the alternative fuel was not available due to high demand.  So, they develop something and can't keep up with its demand.


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